In response to Stemroller's post

I recently signed up for some 1-on-1 coaching with Magic, due to my feel for some more individual attention when it comes to coaching, and the fact that his coaching is far less expensive than any bootcamp out there.

So far, I’ve learned so much from Magic that it’d take me pages and pages to describe it all, so I’m only going to mention two key things which he helped me get over. The one thing I’ve always wanted help with was College Game, which I was suffering in due to some limiting beliefs, and the other as Magic had pointed out was my kino wasn’t quite up to par, as a result of once again some crucial limiting beliefs.

Only after, have I realized how strong these limiting beliefs were holding me back, and how powerful it was to break through them. And the results which followed from breaking past those beliefs. If anyone read my last FR about taking 5 Swedish girls out at the same time, That was a result of taking a different look at how I work my Game at college. Along with the recent D2 I set up for this weekend, all this has been a result of a completely different outlook when it comes to college, and kino.

It wasn’t just those two things as I said we went over a lot of stuff, but those two played a big part. When it came to college Magic explained to me, what I thought was a very powerful thing. First the dynamics of how the classroom works, and to grab attention and girls in class, but just the general attitude that girls in college, are looking to make cool moments and experiences to look back on, they want these intimate memories. It’s a really subtle thing, which I tended to always look over, especially when it came to taking risks, enjoying myself and having fun. That I could be that cool guy that brings these girls together and give them those college memories they’ve always wanted.

A lot of what he talked about was to reframe my limiting beliefs that in college, GIRLS WANT TO HOOK UP, they want those experiences, but it’s a lot less gaming and a lot more casual. As a result of looking at things this way, being more a playful guy, and incorporating a lot of other stuff that Magic went over with me, I’ve been building a much larger social circle of girls in college, and taking them out with me to clubs and other events which in the end has been helping me when it comes to gaming out in the city.

The really crucial thing I saw that Magic helped me with was my kino. It’s very fundamental and I always thought I was good at kino. But I notice now, that sure I might touch a little in the beginning, not nearly enough, and I was never turning my kino from platonic to sexual. He not only went over fun and easy ways to draw the interaction into a more sexual vibe, but he also helped get rid of a lot of beliefs that were holding me back.

Before I would always feel awkward touching the girl, from what I thought was touching too soon, and in my head I was would think, “damn I’m being creepy”. This also had been holding me back for months when it came to taking risks and being more sexual. It wasn’t until Magic kind of reframed the entire situation and said “If you try to get sexual with a girl, and she rejects you, she’s still flattered, because you’re complimenting her in such a way to think of her like that” It made me think that it’s not a big deal. Especially with rejection. It was one thing to here it from him, but in a free video he has online in interviews this girl who, actually says the exact same thing. Thinking in this new light and incorporating a lot of the playful ways of turning the girl on getting more sexual have been really paying off lately.

On top of all this mental reframing, he also was sure to demo as much as possible to get me out of my head and show me what was possible. As I mentioned before it was cool to break a piece of my reality away and see him make out with a girl right in front of her boyfriend. But aside from that seeing him, jump into any group and make it happen and get physical fast was by far a great inspiration. The truth is that seeing him, was like looking into the future of where I eventually want to be, where I’m not really thinking as much about stuff and its just clicking. For example, at one point we got a bite to eat, it wasn’t even as if Magic was trying to demo at the time he was just genuinely interested in a our waitress, who happened to be a part time TV actress, without hesitation, his witty comments, great eye contact, and friendly attitude, had her writing her number on our bill. That is where I want to eventually be where its just second nature.

All in all I began incorporating what I learned and in my recent experiences, when I was with a large group of girls, this actually occurred twice in the last week. Being in a large group of girls, I was platonically touching all of them, but when it came to the ones, I wanted I’d start to do a bunch of these playful things, like sensually rubbing there hair, and on and on, but by dong this those girls got the picture fast, even if our conversation was completely unrelated, they ended up coming onto me fairly strong by the end of the nights, despite their friends presents. These are all things, people would tell me, but hearing it from Magic, getting the reinforcement from the girl saying those same words and then experiencing it, really has solidified a lot of new beliefs and ways in which I game.

I’ve really ended up enjoying and taking a lot from these recent coaching experiences with Magic, if anyone’s interested he’s got a lot of free stuff online on his myspace.

MySpace.com - Magic - 32 - Male - LOS ANGELES, California - http://www.myspace.com/bestdatingtips and his website which I think is on his myspace as well.

Socialskillsinstitute.com

I had some great experiences got over a lot of crucial things, and wanted to share it with all of you, if anyone is looking for some solid coaching I’d definitely recommend investing in yourself, by checking Magic out.

- Q

I also just finished a 1-on-1 bootcamp this weekend with Magic, and I'm blown away. I didn't think I could alter my behavior, attitude, thought processes, and body language as rapidly as I have this weekend. I feel like a totally different person when I'm in a club now. I agree with Quick, Magic teaches way too much to cover in one post, but I will say that watching him this weekend was one of the best parts.

On Friday night we were in Hollywood and we went into a bar so that Magic could do a demonstration and then I could try some approaches myself while he watched me. So Magic approaches two really gorgeous girls, one in particular was absolutely amazing, they're both standing with drinks talking. Magic's technique is high energy with a lot of teasing as well as massive amounts of kino. I've never seen anyone touch girls as much or as fast as Magic before (and they love it!) He's got this technique of using his energy level, his playfulness, and his teasing to cover up the fact that he is getting physical FAST. Anyway, the unbelievably gorgeous blond starts playing with her hair after about fifteen seconds and Magic starts reading her palm, another excuse for Kino. His energy is so high and he is so animated that his presence really dominates the area of the bar we are in. After a couple minutes the two girls take off and I think to myself, "OK this guy's really good", but then the girls come back a few seconds later with two more of their friends, both of whom were as stunning as the blond, and I decided that he was amazing right then and there. I stood there stunned as these four girls, by far the hottest girls in the bar, all begged Magic to read their palms. The blond girl had apparently gone to get her friends so Magic could read their palms too. Anyway, one of Magic's teachings is not to become too much of a dancing monkey for girls (an entertainer), so he starts refusing to read their hands and making fun of the girls and they all giggle and grope all over him, begging him to do it. It was unreal.

So then it's my turn. I try Magic's high energy approach (which I am totally uncomfortable with at first by the way, I have been a pretty low energy shy guy much of the time, so it felt very awkward at first), and I couldn't believe how well it worked. Girls opened to me left and right, and Magic watched me all night pointing out the moments that I made mistakes (like ignoring a girl's friend too much and losing the friend's support in my goal etc.) I did that a couple times actually and it really threw the energy off of my target because she started getting negative signs from her friend, luckily Magic helped me become aware of that. By the end of the night, I felt like a different person. I was very comfortable approaching, teasing, touching, and becoming sexual, and also comfortable being the high energy, alpha male, social guy that is the center of attention and dominates groups of people with stories, playfulness, teasing, and a great attitude. What a turn around, my God!

And one more little story. Magic trains you in day game as well, and we were out on one of our first sessions and he was helping me with body language, attitude, and eye contact. So Magic tells me to make eye contact with everyone I see and hold it until they look away, then he works on my body language and walk so that I have a much more relaxed, easy going, but dominant stance and walk. So Magic tells me to stand still so that he can walk ahead of me and when he tells me to, I should walk towards him so he can observe my walk. Anyway, while Magic is walking down the sidewalk (we were at The Grove), I stood there, relaxed, dressed a bit like a rock star which Magic helped me with, practicing holding eye contact and smiling at people, and this absolutely delicious girl makes eye contact with me as she's walking towards me. Normally I probably would have looked away out of fear, but I held it and she held mine and walked straight up to me with a big smile and said "You look like a model standing there!" So I look down at Magic, who has stopped walking and is looking at me with a sly smile. I am not that good looking by the way, I mean I'm OK, but I sure couldn't be a model, so I knew this girls was just reacting to my confident body language, eye contact, smile, and style. I have never been hit on like that by a girl this gorgeous in my life before. It was exhilarating. Anyway, we flirted, and I pretended that I was a model for The Gap for a while and then I was stumped. Her friends were waiting for her, and Magic was waiting for me, and I let her keep on walking. (DOH!) Magic told me afterwards that I should have taken her on an instant date for coffee, and I really regretted not doing that. Next time!

Anyway, just wanted to second Quick's opinion of Magic. The guy worked wonders for me this weekend, and I've never seen anyone do what he can do in the field. The guy's Magic.

I also just finished a 1-on-1 boot camp with Magic. Quick and Eros have done a great job of outlining Magic's strengths (especially Kino and high-energy fun).

For me, what's almost more important than being good at pickup, is being a good teacher. 24 hours is a lot of time to spend with someone, and you want to make sure you're learning the whole time. That's what I think is the best part about Magic: he's a fantastic teacher.

He really cares about your success on the weekend, and in life. He adapts his program based on your needs. He shows vulnerability, which makes his honesty with you much more refreshing. And, most importantly, he really likes his job, and that enjoyment is contagious.

When I look back at all of my favorite teachers, they all share those traits.

Anyway, I just wanted to reiterate the positive things Eros and Quick said. You guys can actually check out my video review of the bookcamp here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L5kYu3b ... ews/2.html

If you guys are thinking about doing a bookcamp, Magic is definitely someone to consider. Feel free to PM as well if you have any questions.

Word.
-Cameo

Quick: Now that we finished our two day session I want you to know I have never had a radical student like you. You are driven to succeed and I know very soon you will. I really enjoyed my two day session with you. I ended up learning a lot from you in fact I ended up blogging about your session for I hope more people can benefit from for attitude:http://top-dating-advice.blogspot.com/2009/02/want-to-succeed-get-right-attitude-from.html.
Good Job man and good luck to you!
-Magic

I took his training last month, and yes, it has taken me a month, to recover and be able to look back on those 2 days with some clarity. It wasn’t an easy thing, it was in fact one of the hardest things I’ve been through in my life. And that in no way is any exaggeration.

At the moment, I’m just starting to be a little more at ease, when I’m around Magic, but at the time of my training, I was extremely tense. I could instinctually tell that, with every second I stood there, every word that I sputtered, he was examining and seeing through all my bullshit, and right to the core of me. Most of us walk around with some persona we try to portray, and I realized we often become all to comfortable in it, and when someone like Magic can stare strait through you, it’s down right terrifying.

I know every one of his trainings are completely different and are tailored to that individual. Since this is the case, my training mostly concentrated on inner game. And I hate to slap the world game onto it, because it was something I needed for life in general. He painfully made me realize on the first day that I’d been running around with no intent, doing this “flash game” and getting no where. He went on to identify and make me come to realize that certain parts of my life and my being were not congruent, productive, or lined up properly, therefore adversely effecting my game.

This sounds all find and dandy in, being written in one sentence, but going through the process was anything but easy. Magic doesn’t just tell you, this is wrong, and this is wrong. He makes you experience it, he drills you, looks inside your head, and plays games, of course as your experiencing them there’s no way you can tell he’s got a method to his madness, you just experience his full attention and force, its painful to realize you have an ego, and that your ego has been holding you back, and your life is unorganized.

With Magic he never identifies an issue unless he has a solution, which most especially with inner game, will say this is wrong this is wrong change it. Magic comes with practical plans of use for you to use and follow in order to make these powerful changes to your life.


It was such an experience, I’ve got to piece it into parts, now I know everything I just wrote seems a little bit heavy, but playing with emotions, fixing inner game, ways of thinking that’s the down and dirty part of it all.

Once that’s all sorted out its on to the Outer Game, which is the interesting part, as I’ve written before. Magic’s style is different. Where other methods might say, go in talk, then do this, move to phase three. Magic develops an extremely fluid style, which pushes directness, and sexuality right away.

He works on the fundamentals, Tonality, Animation, Physical Escalation, and Eye contact, which he calls TAPE, because at the end of the day it really doesn’t fucking matter what your saying, its how your saying it. The physical actions your taking, and the sub communication of what she’s picking up from your body language, tonality and everything else.

And fundamentals are everything. There was one point in when we were in field, I approached a set, and Magic came in to help, he took one girl, I took the other. I realize mine is stalling out and the girl is looking bored as fuck, I turn to look and Magic’s looking like him and his girl are having the time of their life. And she was ready to go to the bathroom with him within the first ten minutes. Of course since he was coaching, he only took it so far. But seeing barriers like that broken right in front of me was quite amazing. I’ve never see a bathroom pull or anything close to it before.

After the we were done, I asked Magic what his conversation with that girl was, turned out we were both having the same exact conversation with our girls, but through everything he was doing she was ready to GO.

We eventually got to improving my outer game as well.


To be honest, the inner game work was so powerful, and Magic’s brutal honesty took such a toll on me that the outer game seemed irrelevant at the time. I was just emotionally drained through it all.

The following weeks I began to slump a bit, after all the inner game work, with my ego ripped away I felt a bit vulnerable, I couldn’t hide behind anything or false persona’s as I gammed, I just had to face ME. Not an easy thing to do.

But as Magic continuously repeated throughout my experience was that, this change doesn’t happen over night, it takes time, it takes reworking. And I needed the time to let everything sink in.

Within the past couple weeks, I’ve felt everything really coming together as he said it would. I got a lot of portions of my life outside of game, working a lot better for me, such as career, fitness, and so on….and recently all the “Game” related material has been clicking and fitting together, quite nicely.

The experience wasn’t a bunch of feel good, emotional masturbation, it was hard, but ever since everything has really been bouncing back, much more powerfully than it has ever been.

This wasn’t just a boot camp, this was a serious life altering experience for me, I wish I could have experienced it years ago, but I’m glad I’ve done it now, and I actually look back and wonder how sad it would have been to go on another year without having taken it.

Magic from the bottom of my Heart and Soul I want to thank you for investing in me with this life coaching experience.

- FJ

A bit about me, and a bit about my workshop with Magic:

I used alcohol as a crutch. It dulled my anxiety and I was able to escalate and get out of the nice guy mode. But it dulled my calibration when I wasn't drinking I had tremendous anxiety. So, I started by doing working on building social freedom by doing the sarg-a-thon with Vince Kelvin. After that, I needed to to be able to model someone who was successful in field and so I did some in-field work with Blue, which was awesome.... I'm still continuing my infield work with Blue.

As things went along, I knew I wanted to do a more formal bootcamp in order to put together a long term roadmap and work on some inner game issues. I looked into Love Systems, as the consensus is that all of their coaches are amazing, but had some concerns that their business model might be built around extracting money. While I love the RSD material, I hadn't really heard much word of mouth about their bootcamps and so I was a little reluctant to sign up for their program.

The weekend of the Magic CC talk, I asked a few people who had trained with him and the consensus was very good. I spent some time reading Quick's review which was positive, and had a chance to talk with Megatron, who is interning with Magic, about his style - direct and aggressive - which is what I felt I needed to learn. I went on Magic's webpage and saw reviews by JTR and Jeremy which helped solidify my decision. What finally pushed me over the edge was that Magic was affiliated with Brad P, and Brad is known for overdelivering and putting together a quality program - I knew that I would be in good hands.

The bootcamp itself was a two day one-on-one, from 2pm to 2am Friday and Saturday. Magic let me know that he would have one of his coaches in training be in on our session which I Oked. I went over to Magic's place, and we got started.

Some of the very first words out of Magic's mouth were intended to set the frame that, to get the best result, he would be completely honest (subtext: directly discuss my flaws) and that I would have to trust and follow him. I started from the beginning and explained my dating history from start to finish, and he cut to the chase, brought my flaws into the open so that we could work on fixing them. He also communicated to me that the only way that I would develop lasting change would be to go out in feild on my own and develop my skillset myself. He could coach me, but he couldn't take my shots for me, I would have to do that on my own.

We then turned to my business background and talked about how to communicate my passion when I am talking about the work that I do. I realized that although I thought I had this area of my life covered, I've really been on cruise control and have to spend some time rediscovering my passions.

The rest of the day we spent talking about various situations in my dating life and how I should respond to them. We didn't spend much time doing exercises because Magic felt that they were unnecessary for my stage of development. After that we grabbed a bite to eat and went out into the field.

We went out in Hollywood to the Well and the Caheunga bars. At the Well I opened two sets, but eventually they died. Magic let me know that I wasn't reading the girls' responses to me and I was missing a variety of opportunities to escalate and keep the group vibing.

Another issue I had was properly dealing with AMOGS/males in the set. I was devoting way to much time to disarming them, which distracted my attention from the girls and would let the sets fade. This happened to me in particular at the Beauty bar, where some CheeseDick intentionally tried to AMOG me. While he didn't do a good job of shaking my confidence, he did distract me from the girls for me to blow my set.

Towards the end of the night, I ended up number closing a really hot chick from Colorado. The set went really well, except I didn't escalate at times when I had the opportunity and so the vibe started running low at times. Magic told me I wasn't being direct enough with my SOIs and the girls would get confused.

The very last set of the night was a hot Columbian Chick at beauty bar. I was on a roll and feeling pretty good, and I ended up number closing her and making out. She had to leave but then I ran into her outside again. Magic pointed out that I missed a great opportunity to take it to the next level, and that this was a habit in how I was running my sets.

The next day we started off on Melrose doing a little bit of shopping to help my initial attraction through my style. One of the big things that Magic consistently repeated to me was that my vibe was way too clean cut and that it was communicating all of the wrong things. I needed to get messy and communicate messiness to the girls because if your dtf, your going to be messy! I picked up some great accessories and we went back to his place.

Magic was able to break down for me where things had gone poorly in my sets and told me that in order to succeed I'll need to start taking more risks and providing the sets with direction. I've been far to ambivalent until now, just taking things as they go. He also talked about reading attraction signals from women's body language.

For the rest of the day we talked about phone game and setting up day twos. We also spent some time talking about limiting beliefs. When we got to social circle game, everything hit home about me not providing direction in my sets. I realized that I wasn't providing any direction to my social circle either, just taking things as the go rather than being proactive and creating the social group that I want.

At the end of the night, he broke everything down for me in a very positive way, and put together a gameplan to help me to continue to grow. At the very beginning he made clear that there is no "pill" that you take, but that its hard work, and the time you put in ON YOUR OWN that makes you better, and it was clear to me that my journey was just beginning...

At the very end Magic let me know that he would provide me with a follow up session on social circle game and fashion because we weren't able to cover all of it during the bootcamp itself, too much information and too little time.

All in all, I recommend Magic. One of the problems I have with the "community" is that a lot of times its just people blowing smoke up each other's asses. I'm giving it to you straight: Magic did not transform me overnight, but he did provide me with the tools, and a blueprint, to develop my cold approach and dating skillset; similarly, when the time is right, he will help me with my social circle development. He's an expert at understanding bodylanguage and he can help you develop yours and your ability to read the body language of others. Because of his help, I know I will be successful.


My key takeaways:

[*]No more bootcamps - in fact, I probably need less information. I really just need to get into the field and practice. (That's how I know I can trust Magic - he's not trying to upsell me)
[*]Don't pay any attention to cheese-dick amogs, the point is to talk to the girl, not him
[*]Set boundaries in my life. If somebody crosses me, say so and make them earn my respect/trust/friendship
[*]Grow some balls and escalate. Until I'm told by women to stop, or getting laid consistently, I need to amp up my risk taking.
[*]Read Love Signals by David Givens and pay attention to womens body language; go out a few times just watching body language.
[*]Sign up for some romantic acting classes to learn the language and monologues of seduction.
[*]Start providing direction to my interactions - what's the next step, where am I leading this?
[*]Start thinking through scenarios in my head to understand: 1) the direction I am providing to the set, 2) how to overcome obstacles and 3) realize the errors that I am making and create contingencies for them.

Since Magic's bootcamp last weekend I can say I've successfully pulled one chick (wasn't able to get past the LMR, but had fun none the less), and am really looking forward to tonight and the weekend

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Try not to become a man of success, but rather try to become a man of Value.
--Albert Einstein

Awesome maing! Glad you liked it.

I'll putting up my own review here soon!

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Thanks for the review man!

Yeah you did real nice!



Let's talk about this. This should not have happened. So we need to see what happened.

Someone asked me about the "romantic acting classes". It is simply speech for actor classes where you can practice tonality and delivery.

Good job man, yeah stay focused and you will have a great time meeting and dating women.

-Magic

I took my 1 on 1 with Magic a month or so ago. It was two of the most intense days of training I’ve ever had. Magic has a great way of getting to the heart of your problems with game. At least for me he shed some light on few things I was already thinking, which confirmed them, and a few things I hadn’t really been aware of. He then tailors the rest of the program based on what your inner game issues are.

This is one of the best things I think about his method of training; he tailors it to the individual. By the time we ran through practice drills working on kino and shit test handling I was exhausted, and we still had to go out to open real sets!

When you’re in set Magic is literally right there next to you. This differs from most other instructors who tend to stand a greater distance away. After every set he gives you a complete breakdown of what you did wrong and right. He doesn’t pull any punches. This is a bootcamp after all and he can come at you like a drill instructor if he feels that’s the style of teaching you’ll respond to. Again his whole method of teaching is based on calibrating to the student so you get extremely personalized instruction.

So the following are the major points that I took away from my bootcamp (because he's training is individualized you may come away with different things):

Kino – I was always told I needed to kino more that I was doing. The was I didn’t know what “more” looked like. If you came to the seminar Magic gave for CC then you have an idea of how he kino escalates, but it was seeing him demo this in set gave me that “aha!” moment, now I really understood what more meant and how it should look – not to mention how positive the girls responded to it even if they weren’t that way in the beginning.

Energy – This was a problem I wasn’t as aware of. I think this is a big sticking point for guys and they don’t even know it. Magic showed me the true importance of energy in set.

Magic suggests that the open should be “high” energy and then you switch to “lower” energy when entering seduction. But by high energy I don’t mean Mehow style high energy.

I thought about how to explain this for awhile and I think animated is a better term. Magic opens very animated, lots of expression and intent behind his actions. He pointed out many times where I opened sets but I wasn’t animated, almost monotone and once I was aware of it I began to see a big difference in my sets when I opened with more animation.

I believe this is one of the keys to his quick escalation – and escalation in general. Magic showed me how, through demo sets, that you want to escalate when the energy is up. This is like Mehow’s idea of giving a woman emotional value then escalating in the window created by the value. Done this way your escalation isn’t as noticeable, it feels more comfortable, almost like you’re giving a sort of plausible deniability to you touching her.

Expression/Presence – this kind of ties in with the energy thing, but it’s about being expressive with your actions and your words and having solid body language. Having a interesting rhythm in the way you speak. I naturally can come off very monotone so this helped clean a lot of stuff up.

Winning over friends – When I asked Magic how he screened for logistics he told me he generally didn’t. He’d win over the group to the point that they’d accept him and have no problem with him going home or taking home their friend (one of the reasons he said he likes to work without a wing as well). I saw this ability in every set Magic demo’d for me, he’d totally have the friend’s attention by giving them some of the energy/kino he was lavishing on his target.

Another thing I found interesting was the only other PUA I’ve heard of who doesn’t tend to screen heavily for logistics and claims if you get the girl sufficiently sexually interested she’ll handle logistics for you is Capt. Jack.


Overall I’d HIGHLY RECOMMEND training with Magic. Verbally he leans towards natural game and physically he leans towards faster game but even if you run a slower style of game like MM or what not the lessons you learn, especially in regards to kino/engery, can be adapted and, of course, if you’re into the faster stuff (Brad P. , direct, etc.) then you’ll feel right at home.

After two days I believe you will walk away with not just a solid understanding of your sticking points and what you need to do to fix them but you will know what the right way LOOKS like. Magic isn’t afraid to demo and put himself on the line to show you what you need to learn.

If anyone has any questions feel free to hit me up.

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Megatron,

Thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed review, very much appreciate that!

I really enjoyed coaching you! You are doing well and soon things will start to click for you.

Good Luck man!

-Magic